Sorry Sweetheart, but you predetermined conclusion, based on cherry-picked research is totally wrong. For example, refer to the article published by the Washington Post on September 23’rd that debunked the urban myth of massive sexual slavery operating in the U.S. Try reading, and seriously thinking about, opinions that aren’t already in the box presently confining your thoughts. You might start with some of the work by Carol Leigh or Margo St James. I may not necessarily agree with their personal values, but I respect their right to make choices about their own lives.
No reasonable person wants forced prostitution, rape or sexual slavery, but ignoring the value of individual rights concerning adult privacy only serves to distract the public’s attention from the real problems.
Julie Binder wrote a compelling paper, PRESS FOR CHANGE, in which she argues that the press need to stop using terms that legitimize the industry of paid sex. See also former Amdassador (State Dept, TIP)John Miller's farewell letter in which he speaks of terminology. Amdassador Miller rightfully points out that many words during the 19th cetury a word like FIELD HAND was used to speak of someone who was a slave on a farm or plantation. The term sounds almost dignified but, that hardly portrayed the life of that slave. So too, the term sex worker implies that being prostituted is a JOB or CAREER CHOICE> It sin't. It is a human rights abuse, violence against women and slavery. Let's use the terms that fit the crime. notoslavery
Kaja, Hon- Listen. Did you read the article in its entirety? Yes there are a handful of independent 'sex workers' but the rest are either coerced into the industry through 'pimps' aka sex-traffickers, or bought by pimps as 'sex-slaves' through human-traffickers. I too respect our rights enough to agree that, yes, women do have a right to choose prostitution as a career. I do believe, however, that many of those women that aren't victims of sexual abuse, drug addiction, poverty, etc, and who would still choose such a career, would have chosen a more intellectually stimulating and productive industry if their mental facilities had been allowed to fully develop. (Through education or good DNA.) All in all, yes, some hoes are born dumb and dive willingly into the sex-industry. Yet the majority of the women in the industry would leap at any opportunity to get out of it.
I am afraid Kaja is right, the mass hysteria over trafficking simply does not hold water and nobody is making the same fuss about migrants in the garment industry. Julie Bindel (not Binder) is yet another example of fundamental feminism with no scientific rigour. Unfortunately the popular imagination on prostitution is full of myths and stereotypes.
Your last comments are very wrong, none of the people I work with would recognise themselves there.
Geez- Quit fucking polarizing the topic. It's not about a 'mass hysteria' of slavery and it's not about a woman's right to choose her career. It's the gray area in between. It's about us treating the prostitution industry the same way as the drug war in order to turn a profit. People don't smoke crack for the glory of it- they do it for the fix-- the same way women don't sell their bodies out of a desire to bring pleasure to a man-- they do it for the money. It is ignoring the truth, the way Kaja and Michael, who sound like they are either in the business or customers of the trade. Your opinions don't hold water as you too are profiting from prostitution in some way. (Call me Sweetheart again, Fucko.)
I am sorry you feel so upset about this, it is always interesting how anyone who actually tries to restore people's basic rights gets accused of profiteering from the sex industry. So it may disappoint you to find out that I am not in the business but I am involved in volunteer services for sex workers and do research on their needs.
I am not sure I exactly grasp the point you are making in this fairly long article which contains a lot of misinformation. What I see is the classical effects of prohibition on human behaviour that results in violence, crime and corruption. Putting it bluntly - it does not work.
Michael- Your missing the point of the article. Either way, municipal govt should not profit from this whether you think prostitution is a good thing or not. You may think it is good as eating green vegetables, but you can't actually think that it should be a city fiscal enterprise. So, your not actually diasagreeing with the article, you are simply advocating something else. If that is the case, I suggest you work tirelessly to make prostitution a federal right. Really, what better cause to devote your precious time to. I mean, there are kids dying of preventale diseases and thousands dying in Iraq and Sudan but a noble cause like legalizing prostitution should make you feel like your really doing something worthwhile. Good on ya mate!
Hopefully part of your "volunteer" work consists of providing an alternative to turning tricks to make a living. Whether you believe it or not there is ample evidence out there pointing to the abuse that these women and men and children are subjected to, so maybe you should spend some time helping them instead of those who 'willingly' put themselves in harm's way.
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Sorry Sweetheart, but you predetermined conclusion, based on cherry-picked research is totally wrong. For example, refer to the article published by the Washington Post on September 23’rd that debunked the urban myth of massive sexual slavery operating in the U.S.
Try reading, and seriously thinking about, opinions that aren’t already in the box presently confining your thoughts. You might start with some of the work by Carol Leigh or Margo St James. I may not necessarily agree with their personal values, but I respect their right to make choices about their own lives.
No reasonable person wants forced prostitution, rape or sexual slavery, but ignoring the value of individual rights concerning adult privacy only serves to distract the public’s attention from the real problems.
Julie Binder wrote a compelling paper, PRESS FOR CHANGE, in which she argues that the press need to stop using terms that legitimize the industry of paid sex. See also former Amdassador (State Dept, TIP)John Miller's farewell letter in which he speaks of terminology. Amdassador Miller rightfully points out that many words during the 19th cetury a word like FIELD HAND was used to speak of someone who was a slave on a farm or plantation. The term sounds almost dignified but, that hardly portrayed the life of that slave. So too, the term sex worker implies that being prostituted is a JOB or CAREER CHOICE> It sin't. It is a human rights abuse, violence against women and slavery. Let's use the terms that fit the crime. notoslavery
It sounds like Kaja enjoys prostitutes. Please, don't take that one pleasure away from him.
Kaja, Hon-
Listen. Did you read the article in its entirety? Yes there are a handful of independent 'sex workers' but the rest are either coerced into the industry through 'pimps' aka sex-traffickers, or bought by pimps as 'sex-slaves' through human-traffickers.
I too respect our rights enough to agree that, yes, women do have a right to choose prostitution as a career.
I do believe, however, that many of those women that aren't victims of sexual abuse, drug addiction, poverty, etc, and who would still choose such a career, would have chosen a more intellectually stimulating and productive industry if their mental facilities had been allowed to fully develop. (Through education or good DNA.)
All in all, yes, some hoes are born dumb and dive willingly into the sex-industry. Yet the majority of the women in the industry would leap at any opportunity to get out of it.
I am afraid Kaja is right, the mass hysteria over trafficking simply does not hold water and nobody is making the same fuss about migrants in the garment industry. Julie Bindel (not Binder) is yet another example of fundamental feminism with no scientific rigour. Unfortunately the popular imagination on prostitution is full of myths and stereotypes.
Your last comments are very wrong, none of the people I work with would recognise themselves there.
Geez- Quit fucking polarizing the topic. It's not about a 'mass hysteria' of slavery and it's not about a woman's right to choose her career. It's the gray area in between. It's about us treating the prostitution industry the same way as the drug war in order to turn a profit. People don't smoke crack for the glory of it- they do it for the fix-- the same way women don't sell their bodies out of a desire to bring pleasure to a man-- they do it for the money. It is ignoring the truth, the way Kaja and Michael, who sound like they are either in the business or customers of the trade. Your opinions don't hold water as you too are profiting from prostitution in some way. (Call me Sweetheart again, Fucko.)
I am sorry you feel so upset about this, it is always interesting how anyone who actually tries to restore people's basic rights gets accused of profiteering from the sex industry. So it may disappoint you to find out that I am not in the business but I am involved in volunteer services for sex workers and do research on their needs.
I am not sure I exactly grasp the point you are making in this fairly long article which contains a lot of misinformation. What I see is the classical effects of prohibition on human behaviour that results in violence, crime and corruption. Putting it bluntly - it does not work.
Michael-
Your missing the point of the article. Either way, municipal govt should not profit from this whether you think prostitution is a good thing or not. You may think it is good as eating green vegetables, but you can't actually think that it should be a city fiscal enterprise. So, your not actually diasagreeing with the article, you are simply advocating something else. If that is the case, I suggest you work tirelessly to make prostitution a federal right. Really, what better cause to devote your precious time to. I mean, there are kids dying of preventale diseases and thousands dying in Iraq and Sudan but a noble cause like legalizing prostitution should make you feel like your really doing something worthwhile. Good on ya mate!
Hopefully part of your "volunteer" work consists of providing an alternative to turning tricks to make a living. Whether you believe it or not there is ample evidence out there pointing to the abuse that these women and men and children are subjected to, so maybe you should spend some time helping them instead of those who 'willingly' put themselves in harm's way.
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